Mixture of Experts#
Megatron Core MoE#
Megatron Core MoE is a production-ready stack for training large-scale Mixture-of-Experts models, built on the Megatron Core framework. It provides foundational architecture, performance optimizations, and best practices that guide MoE development across the industry.
What’s New#
For the latest features and architectures, please refer to the MCore dev roadmap.
🔥 [MCore dev] (2026/01)#
🚀 Pipeline-aware fine-grained activation offloading
🚀 Qwen3-Next model support
🚀 DeepSeek-V3.2 model support
🚀 Muon and Layer-wise distributed optimizer
🚀 CUDA Graph support with fine-grained scopes
🔥 [MCore v0.15] (2025/11)#
🚀 Add HybridEP backend to Flex Dispatcher(GB200, B200, H100 supported)
🚀 Support FSDP with EP for MoE models
🔥 [MCore v0.14] (2025/09)#
🚀 Batch-level overlapping to hide EP-A2A communication (–overlap-moe-expert-parallel-comm –delay-wgrad-compute)
🚀 FP8 support for Fine-grained Recomputations
Router fusion kernels for MoE models (–moe-router-fusion)
Context Parallelism (CP) support for MTP and MLA
🔥 [MCore v0.13] (2025/07)#
Support bf16 dtype for optimizer states to use precision-aware optimizer in TransformerEngine (–use-precision-aware-optimizer)
Flexible Asymmetric Virtual Pipeline Parallelism with Custom Pipeline Layout (–pipeline-model-parallel-layout)
Add Hybrid Shard Data-Parallel support for MoE models (–num-distributed-optimizer-instances)
Fine-grained recomputation to reduce activation memory. (–recompute-modules with –recompute-granularity selective)
Memory efficient token permutation by moving the probs multiplication from unpermutation to activation function of GroupedMLP.
🔥 [MCore v0.12] (2025/05)#
Support DeepSeek’s DeepEP for efficient token dispatching (–moe-token-dispatcher-type flex –moe-enable-deepep)
Support Multi-Token Prediction (MTP) (–mtp-num-layers 1)
CUDA Graph support for dropless MoE models with attention only capture (–te-rng-track –external-cuda-graph –cuda-graph-scope attn)
Overview of MCore MoE Supported Features and Architectures#
Model Support#
✅ DeepSeek
✅ DeepSeek-V2
✅ DeepSeek-V3, including MTP
✅ Qwen
✅ Qwen2-57B-A14B
✅ Qwen3-30B-A3B
✅ Qwen3-235B-A22B
✅ Mixtral
✅ Mixtral-8x7B
✅ Mixtral-8x22B
Core MoE Functionality#
✅ Token dropless MoE (dMoE) - Advanced routing without token dropping
✅ Top-K Router with flexible K selection
✅ Load balancing losses for expert utilization optimization
Advanced Parallelism#
✅ Expert Parallel (EP) with 3D parallelism integration
✅ Full parallelism combo: EP + DP + TP + PP + SP support
✅ Context Parallel (CP) for long sequence MoE training
✅ Parallel Folding Heterogeneous Parallelism Mappings for Efficient Large-Scale MoE Model Training
✅ Distributed Optimizer for MoE (ZeRO-1 equivalent)
Performance Optimizations#
✅ Memory Efficient token permutation
✅ Fine-grained Recomputations (mla, moe, mlp, moe_act, norm)
✅ MLA TP Support for Mixture of Linear Attention
✅ GroupedGEMM and GA Fusion
✅ DP/PP/TP Communication Overlapping
✅ Overlapped Shared Expert execution
✅ Router Fusion optimizations
✅ Token (un)permutation Fusion kernels
✅ cuDNN fused Attention integration
Hardware & Precision Support#
✅ DeepEP support for H100 and B200
✅ GroupedGEMM including FP8/MXFP8 support
✅ FP8 weights with BF16 optimizer states
✅ FP8 training full support
Developer Experience#
✅ MoE Model Zoo with pre-training best practices
✅ Distributed Checkpointing for MoE models
✅ Upcycling Support for model scaling
✅ MCore2HF Converter for ecosystem compatibility
✅ Layer-wise logging for detailed monitoring
✅ Runtime Upcycling capabilities
Quick Start Guide#
Basic MoE Training in Megatron-LM#
To train a top-2 MoE model with 8 experts and auxiliary loss, add the following arguments to your megatron training script:
## Set MoE hidden size
--num-experts 8
--moe-shared-expert-intermediate-size 2048
## Set router config
--moe-router-load-balancing-type aux_loss
--moe-router-topk 2
--moe-aux-loss-coeff 1e-2
## Set token dispatcher
--moe-token-dispatcher-type alltoall
Detailed documentation for each feature is available in the Feature Documentation section.
Use the pre-defined config to train the popular MoE models#
We have provided some pre-defined config to train the popular MoE models in the Megatron-MoE-Model-Zoo repository. You can use them as a reference to configure your training script. Currently we have added the config for Mixtral 8x7B, Mixtral 8x22B, DeepSeek-V3, Qwen3-30B-A3B, Qwen3-235B-A22B.
General Performance Tips#
Training arguments#
The following flags are general performance flags that can help to achieve higher performance on almost all workloads. Check if you have enabled all of them in your training script.
## Enable DeepEP token dispatcher
--moe-token-dispatcher-type flex
--moe-flex-dispatcher-backend deepep
## Enable GroupedGEMM
--moe-grouped-gemm
## Enable fusion kernels
--moe-router-fusion
--moe-permute-fusion
--cross-entropy-loss-fusion
--cross-entropy-fusion-impl native
## Communication optimization
--use-distributed-optimizer
--overlap-param-gather
--overlap-grad-reduce
--tp-comm-overlap
## Enable manual gc to prevent python jitter
--manual-gc: true
--manual-gc-interval: 10
Environment variables#
Below are some environment variables that can be useful.
export PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:True # Enable expandable segments to prevent memory fragmentation
export NCCL_NVLS_ENABLE=0 # Disable NVLS to prevent memory overhead
Dependencies#
Use the latest version of TransformerEngine.
Use the latest NGC PyTorch Docker Image
Best Practices to achieve high performance on MoE training#
Distributed training involves complex trade-offs between communication, memory, and computation, making it challenging to find an optimal parallelism configuration. This section provides a systematic workflow to help you identify the best parallel mapping for your model and hardware.
Step 1: Find the feasible parallel mapping under the memory capacity of the GPU#
To find the best parallel mapping, we need to first know the feasible parallel mapping for the model under the memory capacity of the GPU. The consumption of memory consists of three parts:
Activation memory
Weight and gradient memory
Optimizer states memory Different parallel strategies will shard these tensor memory in different ways.
Parallel Strategy |
Peak Activation Memory |
Weight Memory |
Optimizer states |
Communication (Per-Layer) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
TP |
1/N (with SP on) |
1/N |
1/N |
High |
EP |
~1 (varies with EP balancing) |
1/N in MoELayer |
1/N |
Medium |
PP |
1 (>1 with virtual pipeline) |
1/N |
1/N |
Medium |
CP |
1/N |
1 |
1/N (with distributed optimizer) |
Medium |
DP |
1 |
1 |
1/N (with distributed optimizer) |
Low |
We provide the argument of --fake-init-process-group to emulate distributed training on one GPU. This is useful to find the feasible parallel mapping under the memory capacity of the GPU. See https://github.com/NVIDIA/Megatron-LM/pull/2254 for detailed usage.
Step 2: Select Optimal Parallelism Strategy#
The optimal parallelism configuration varies based on model architecture, sequence length, and hardware platform. Below are general guidelines to help you achieve high throughput.
Guideline 1: Minimize Model Parallelism, Maximize Data Parallelism#
Aspect |
Recommendation |
|---|---|
Goal |
Keep TP/EP/PP as small as possible while avoiding OOM |
Why |
Model parallelism introduces communication overhead that hurts performance |
How |
Use distributed optimizer ( |
Guideline 2: Keep EP and TP Communication Within NVLink Domain#
Aspect |
Recommendation |
|---|---|
Goal |
Ensure EP×TP fits within a single node (typically 8 GPUs) |
Why |
EP and TP are communication-intensive; NVLink provides much higher bandwidth than cross-node interconnects |
Scaling |
When scaling beyond one node, prefer PP over expanding TP/EP across nodes |
Note: For very large MoE models like DeepSeek-V3, the EP communication may exceed the NVLink bandwidth. In this case, consider using 1F1B A2A Overlap to overlap the EP communication.
Guideline 3: Use Pipeline Parallelism (PP) for Multi-Node Scaling#
Aspect |
Recommendation |
|---|---|
Goal |
Use PP to distribute layers across nodes while keeping EP×TP within NVLink |
VPP |
Enable Virtual Pipeline Parallelism to reduce pipeline bubbles when |
Config |
Set |
VPP Size Tuning:
Valid values: all divisors of
num_layers / PP_sizeExample:
num_layers=24, PP=4→ valid VPP sizes:{1, 2, 3, 6}Trade-off: Larger VPP = fewer bubbles but more P2P communications
Recommendation: A middle value often gives the best balance
Guideline 4: Prefer EP over TP for Expert Layers#
EP Advantages |
Details |
|---|---|
Better GEMM efficiency |
Larger local matrix sizes improve GPU utilization |
Lower communication |
EP has less communication overhead than TP for MoE layers |
Simpler computation graph |
Easier to overlap communication with computation |
Token permutation |
When |
Example: For Mixtral 8x7B, EP8×TP1 outperforms EP4×TP2.
Guideline 5: Enable Context Parallelism (CP) for Long Sequences#
Aspect |
Recommendation |
|---|---|
When to use |
Sequence length ≥ 8K tokens |
Key factor |
CP efficiency depends on overlapping communication with computation |
Config |
Set |
Step 3: Enable Performance Features Based on Profiling Bottlenecks#
After establishing a working parallel configuration, profile your training to identify bottlenecks and apply targeted optimizations.
Memory Bottleneck#
Symptom: Forced to use full recomputation or excessively large parallelism degrees to avoid OOM.
Solutions:
Optimization |
Overhead |
Config |
Reference |
|---|---|---|---|
Selective Recomputation |
Low |
|
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Activation Offloading |
Medium |
|
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Optimizer Offloading |
Medium |
|
— |
Communication Bottleneck#
Symptom: Profiling shows significant time spent in collective operations.
Solutions: Identify which communication is the bottleneck and enable corresponding overlap:
Communication Type |
Overlap Config |
|---|---|
DP gradient reduce |
|
DP param gather |
|
TP communication |
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EP All-to-All |
|
PP send/recv |
Enable VPP with |
CPU Overhead Bottleneck#
Symptom: Nsight Systems timeline shows gaps between GPU kernels where CPU cannot launch kernels fast enough.
Solutions:
Optimization |
Config |
|---|---|
Disable Python GC |
|
Enable CUDA Graphs |
|
Reduce kernel launches |
Decrease TP size or increase micro-batch size |
Computation Bottleneck#
Symptom: GPU utilization is low despite no communication or CPU bottlenecks.
Solutions:
Optimization |
Config |
|---|---|
Enable kernel fusions |
|
Use FP8 precision |
|
Feature Documentation#
Router and Load Balancing#
Routers determine which expert(s) handle each token. A lightweight MLP scores every token and applies softmax or sigmoid to compute routing probabilities. The router then selects the top-K experts for each token.
Note: The router logits is better to remain in FP32 or FP64 rather than BF16 by –moe-router-dtype fp32. At high expert counts, FP32 precision yields better accuracy because output hidden states of experts are multiplied by router scores and accumulated to get the final output.
Router Types#
Router Types |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
Top-K Router |
Standard routing with configurable K, uses softmax for probability computation |
–moe-router-topk 8 |
Group Top-K Router |
Selects top-K expert groups, then routes experts in selected groups |
–moe-router-num-groups 8 –moe-router-group-topk 4 |
Router score function |
Score function to calculate the probs from output logits of router |
–moe-router-score-function softmax/sigmoid |
Load Balancing Strategies#
Strategy |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
aux_loss |
Auxiliary loss for balancing expert usage on a micro-batch |
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seq_aux_loss |
Sequence-level auxiliary loss for balancing expert usage on each sequence |
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global_aux_loss |
Global auxiliary loss for balancing expert usage on a global batch across all ranks |
|
sinkhorn |
Optimal transport formulation for balancing expert usage |
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quantile_balancing |
Exact micro-batch or Kimi K3 global-batch histogram quantile bias updates |
|
aux loss free |
Dynamic bias-based load balancing strategy without auxiliary loss |
|
none |
No load balancing |
|
Token Dispatching#
After routing, tokens are dispatched to the GPU hosting the assigned expert. After expert computation, tokens are sent back and combined to restore the original sequence.
Dispatcher |
Description |
Best For |
Config |
|---|---|---|---|
alltoall |
NCCL-based All-to-All communication for token exchange |
Standard EP > 1 setups |
|
FlexDispatcher with DeepEP backend |
Removes redundant tokens during cross-node communication, fuses intra/inter-node communication into single kernel |
Cross-node EP, fine-grained MoE (DeepSeek-V3) |
|
FlexDispatcher with DeepEP v2 backend |
Uses the NCCL Gin-based |
Expert parallelism with a DeepEP v2 container |
|
FlexDispatcher with HybridEP backend |
NVIDIA’s optimized dispatcher using TMA and IBGDA, fewer SMs, native MNNVL support |
GB200 NVL72, Multi-Node NVLink |
|
HybridEP with virtual-expert load balancing |
Balances overloaded experts with runtime virtual-expert slots and asynchronously transfers only selected weights/gradients |
Fixed-shape NVLink HybridEP training |
|
allgather |
Gathers all tokens to each GPU, no inter-GPU token movement |
TP-only setups, small EP, large Top-K |
|
Virtual-expert load balancing#
Enable with --moe-token-dispatcher-type flex --moe-flex-dispatcher-backend hybridep --moe-virtual-expert-load-balance. MoonEP balances overloaded experts by temporarily copying
selected experts to other EP ranks. The planner uses the algorithm from
MoonshotAI/MoonEP; the integration here combines custom
Triton kernels, a virtual-expert dispatcher, and Transformer Engine’s grouped expert computation.
Dispatcher: Flex selects
_VirtualExpertHybridEPManagerin token_dispatcher.py, which extends the existing HybridEP manager withVirtualExpertLoadBalancer. It accepts the router’s[tokens, topk]expert IDs and probabilities, starts planning and weight prefetch, then supplies remapped runtime expert IDs to HybridEP. HybridEP handles token dispatch and combine using a fixed receive capacity calculated to cover the balanced workload and padding.Triton kernels: virtual_expert_triton.py implements planning, selected-weight prefetch, and replica-gradient reduction. The planner combines histogram construction, cross-rank histogram exchange, placement, and route remapping in one cooperative kernel launch. Separate transport kernels push selected weights into peer virtual slots and read replica gradients back into their owners’ native gradients through NCCL symmetric memory. These kernels move expert weights and gradients; token movement remains with HybridEP.
Expert buffers: virtual_expert_load_balancer.py binds native weights and temporary virtual slots into the FC1/FC2 runtime weight lists consumed by TE’s grouped GEMMs. Compatible layers share persistent weight and gradient arenas, reusing replica storage across layers. Non-GTP native gradients accumulate directly into DDP buffers; GTP natives use stable wgrad buffers acquired through TE’s
DistributedWeightinterface.Execution and backward: Autograd hooks coordinate planning, weight prefetch, and gradient reduction on separate CUDA streams, with events establishing dependencies on expert compute. Each forward retains its placement for backward, which refreshes replica weights before the expert GEMMs. FC2 replica-gradient reduction can start as soon as its wgrad is ready, followed by FC1. At the MoE input-backward boundary, compute waits for both replica reductions before handing gradients to DDP or expert GTP.
The router’s logical expert selections and probabilities are preserved; remapping changes where the selected experts execute. Replica gradients return to the original parameters, which retain optimizer and checkpoint ownership. Replicas have no separate optimizer state.
Requirements and limits:
Triton 3.5 or newer is required for launch-scoped descriptor allocation.
Use EP sizes 2–64, up to 8,192 experts evenly divided across EP ranks, top-k from 1 to min(32, number of experts), and expert tensor parallel size 1.
All layers must share one EP topology. Local token counts must be equal across EP ranks and remain fixed after each layer’s first forward.
Use per-expert parameters with grouped-tensor GEMM, fused gradient accumulation, FP32 router probabilities, and BF16 or native MXFP8 weights. The op fuser is optional. MXFP8 additionally requires
--fp8-param --fp8-param-gather --reuse-grad-buf-for-mxfp8-param-agwith themxfp8recipe ande4m3format.Use regular DDP or the distributed optimizer with eagerly allocated expert
main_gradbuffers. Megatron-FSDP v1/v2 and lazy gradient allocation are unsupported. Expert GTP is supported.Leave
moe_expert_rank_capacity_factorunset and disablemoe_paged_stash. MoonEP selects static-capacity HybridEP transport and calculates its own dropless budget, including padding. Token dropping and expert capacity limits are unsupported.Use
moe_hybridep_routing_map_mode='indices'(the default) and a HybridEP build supportingtopk_idx. MoonEP routers return selected expert IDs and probabilities directly. If TE cannot emit expert IDs, routing uses the unfused implementation.Sinkhorn routing and DeepSeek-style expert bias (
--moe-router-enable-expert-bias) are unsupported. For CUDA graphs, use the whole-layermoescope rather thanmoe_routerormoe_preprocess. Full/whole-MoE recomputation is unsupported. FC1 CPU offload currently requires a separate HybridEP/TE capacity-buffer fix; MoE activation and fused-MLP offload have test coverage.
Supported routing includes FP32 sigmoid scores, router fusion, hash routing, seq_aux_loss, and quantile
balancing with its own bias update. For micro_batch quantile balancing, set
--moe-router-load-balancing-type quantile_balancing --moe-aux-loss-coeff 0, omit
--moe-router-enable-expert-bias and --moe-router-fusion, and disable
--moe-router-force-load-balancing. Quantile balancing requires token-count × top-k divisible
by the expert count and does not support padding masks or group-limited routing.
Virtual-expert gradients use FP32 storage and transport by default. With --grad-reduce-in-bf16,
native and replica partial gradients are stored in BF16, added locally in FP32, then downcast once.
BF16 partial storage can lose small cancellation residuals and increase optimizer-update differences;
later FP32 addition cannot recover those residuals. To retain FP32 accumulation in subsequent
reductions, enable --ddp-reduce-scatter-with-fp32-accumulation and, with expert GTP,
--gtp-remat-reduce-scatter-with-fp32-accumulation.
MoonEP’s peer handshakes and cooperative-grid barriers time out after approximately 100 seconds
of polling, including when TRITON_DEBUG=0. A timeout aborts the kernel and surfaces as an
asynchronous CUDA launch failure; restart the affected processes. Other ranks still waiting in
these barriers time out independently. This does not cover unrelated collectives or stalled
GPU instructions.
Training parity and supported offload/recompute cases are covered in
tests/unit_tests/transformer/moe/test_virtual_experts.py. Planner correctness and CUDA graph
replay are covered in tests/unit_tests/determinism/kernels/test_moe_kernels.py; checkpoint
loading and initialization parity are covered by
test_te_grouped_linear_virtual_expert_checkpoint in the neighboring test_te_wrappers.py.
Upcycling#
Use --moe-use-upcycling to enable upcycling, which loads the dense model from the --load directory, converts it to an MoE model at runtime, and starts training. The converted model is saved to the --save path before training begins. Upcycling is built on distributed checkpointing, supporting parallel modes different from existing dense checkpoints, such as arbitrary expert parallelism during upcycling.
In addition to the default upcycling strategy, we also support granular upcycling strategy which is a more state-of-the-art upcycling strategy from our recent research work. For the default upcycling strategy, we duplicate the existing MLP to multiple experts, with each expert starting from a copy of the MLP. For the granular upcycling strategy, we use --moe-upcycling-granularity to specify how many times smaller is the expert hidden size compared with the original dense FFN hidden size. For using granular upcycling strategy, please set --moe-upcycling-granularity as a positive integer. If this param is set to 1, it means using the default upcycling strategy.
Note: The MoE model structure is defined through script arguments. All MoE-related arguments (such as --num-experts) can be customized; however, other model structure arguments must be consistent with those of the dense model. For granular upcycling strategy, the moe’s FFN hidden size should be set as dense FFN hidden size divided by --moe-upcycling-granularity.
Training Optimizations#
MoE training faces three fundamental performance bottlenecks: Memory Wall, Communication Wall, and Compute Efficiency Wall. The following optimizations address each of these challenges.
MoE Parallel Folding#
The Problem with Traditional Approaches:
Prior MoE frameworks constrain EP ≤ DP (Expert Parallelism must be a sub-group of Data Parallelism), which severely limits scalability.
Applying the same TP/CP to both attention and MoE is suboptimal:
High TP benefits attention but hurts MoE (small per-expert dims make TP overhead prohibitive)
High CP benefits long-context attention but is unnecessary for MoE (tokens processed independently)
MoE Parallel Folding is Megatron Core’s solution that decouples attention and MoE parallelism:
Parallelism Group |
Attention Layers |
MoE Layers |
|---|---|---|
Dimensions |
TP × CP × DP × PP |
ETP × EP × EDP × PP |
Key Benefits#
Breaks the EP ≤ DP Constraint
Traditional: TP=4, CP=2, DP=8, PP=4 → max EP=8
With Folding: Same attention config, but MoE uses ETP=1, EP=64, EDP=1 → 8× more expert parallelism
Reduces Minimum GPU Requirements
Traditional CP=8, EP=8 requires at least 64 GPUs
With Folding: CP and EP are folded together, only 8 GPUs needed
Enables Independent Optimization
Use high TP for attention (memory efficiency)
Use ETP=1 for MoE (better GEMM efficiency, less communication)
Keeps High-Bandwidth Communication in NVLink Domain
Both CP and EP communication can remain within NVLink domain
Memory Optimization#
Memory optimization is critical for large-scale MoE training, as MoE models maintain all expert parameters even though only a subset is activated per token.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
Fine-grained Recomputation |
Selectively recomputes specific modules (e.g., |
|
Fine-grained Activation Offloading |
Offloads activations to CPU memory, overlapping D2H/H2D transfers with computation |
See |
Precision-aware Optimizer |
Stores optimizer states (exp_avg, exp_avg_sq) in BF16 instead of FP32, reducing optimizer memory by 50% |
|
Optimizer Offloading |
Offloads optimizer states to CPU memory. |
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Fine-grained Recomputation#
A new output-discarding checkpointing method is also supported. This method discards the output memory of certain submodules during the forward pass and recomputes them during the backward pass, which can save memory compared to standard checkpointing. This can be enabled for specific submodules using the --recompute-granularity selective --recompute-modules [submodule1, submodule2, ...] argument. The supported submodules are:
moe_act: Recompute the GroupedMLP activation function.layernorm: Recompute the input_layernorm and pre_mlp_layernorm (when they are notIdentityOp).mla_up_proj: Recompute the MLA up projection and RoPE applying parts.core_attn: Recompute the core attention submodule (uses standard checkpointing rather than output-discarding).mlp: Recompute the dense MLP submodule (uses standard checkpointing rather than output-discarding) which is useful for hybrid-models like DeepSeek-V3.moe: Recompute the MoE layer submodule (uses standard checkpointing rather than output-discarding).
Fine-grained Activation Offloading#
Unlike recomputation (which trades compute for memory), offloading trades GPU-CPU bandwidth for memory: activations are transferred to CPU during forward pass and retrieved during backward pass. The key is hiding transfer latency behind computation using asynchronous D2H/H2D transfers.
Key Features:
Module-level granularity: Target specific modules rather than entire layers
Computation-offloading overlap: Asynchronous transfers via independent CUDA streams
Compatible with PP/VPP: Works with pipeline parallelism and fine-grained recomputation
Usage
--fine-grained-activation-offloading
--offload-modules expert_fc1 moe_act # Choices: attn_norm, qkv_linear, core_attn, attn_proj, mlp_norm, expert_fc1, moe_act, fused_group_mlp
For more details, see docs/user-guide/features/fine_grained_activation_offloading.md
Communication Optimization#
Distributed training introduces communication overhead from various parallelism strategies. Megatron Core supports overlapping communication with computation to hide latency and improve throughput.
Data Parallel (DP) Communication Overlap#
With distributed optimizer, DP introduces reduce-scatter (gradients) and all-gather (parameters) communications, chunked by Transformer layer granularity.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
Gradient Reduce Overlap |
Overlaps gradient reduce-scatter with backward computation |
|
Param Gather Overlap |
Overlaps parameter all-gather with forward computation |
|
BF16 Gradient Reduce |
Reduces gradients in BF16 instead of FP32 for better performance |
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FP8 Param Gather |
Conducts parameter all-gather in FP8, reducing overhead by 50% |
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Tensor Parallel (TP) Communication Overlap#
TP with sequence parallelism introduces activation all-gather and reduce-scatter operations. Communications are overlapped in bulk (no dependency) or pipelined (with dependency) fashion.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
TP Comm Overlap |
Enables bulk and pipelined TP communication overlap |
|
Requirements:
tensor_model_parallel_size >= 2and--sequence-parallel
Pipeline Parallel (PP) Communication Overlap#
PP introduces P2P activation sends/receives between pipeline stages. Overlap is automatic in the 1F1B pipelining phase when VPP is enabled.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
P2P Comm Overlap |
Overlaps PP P2P communications with non-dependent computations |
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VPP for Better Overlap |
Increases overlap opportunities by reducing layers per virtual stage |
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Expert Parallel (EP) Communication Overlap#
EP All-to-All can consume 30-40% of training time without optimization. These features hide or reduce EP communication overhead.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
EP A2A Overlap |
Overlaps All-to-All with computation by merging FWD-BWD passes of adjacent microbatches |
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Shared Expert Overlap |
Runs shared expert computation concurrently with EP token transfer |
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Requirements for EP A2A Overlap:
expert_model_parallel_size > 1, CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS > 1.
Full activation recompute with EP A2A Overlap:
--recompute-granularity fullis supported and is applied per layer segment, so--recompute-methodand--recompute-num-layerscarry exactly the same meaning as without--overlap-moe-expert-parallel-comm. Both flags are required. This overlap recompute path requires--cuda-graph-impl none; CUDA Graph execution, includingfull_iteration, is not supported.
Compute Optimization#
Fine-grained MoE produces many small operations that can underutilize GPU resources. These optimizations reduce kernel launch overhead and improve GPU utilization.
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
Grouped GEMM |
Batches multiple expert GEMM operations into a single kernel call, improving GPU utilization |
|
Router Fusion |
Fuses router projection, top-k selection, softmax, and auxiliary loss into fewer kernels |
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Permute Fusion |
Fuses token permutation/unpermutation operations into optimized single kernels |
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FP8 Training |
Uses FP8 Tensor Core operations for faster GEMMs on Hopper/Blackwell GPUs |
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FP8 Training#
FP8 training provides benefits across all three performance walls:
Wall |
FP8 Benefit |
Impact |
|---|---|---|
Memory |
50% activation reduction |
Stores linear layer inputs in FP8 instead of BF16 |
Memory |
Eliminate BF16 weight copies |
Native FP8 casts directly from FP32 to FP8 |
Communication |
50% EP dispatch volume |
Dispatches tokens in FP8 instead of BF16 |
Communication |
50% parameter all-gather |
With FP8 primary weights (except MXFP8) |
Compute |
Faster Tensor Core GEMMs |
FP8 ops on Hopper/Blackwell are faster than BF16 |
FP8 Recipes#
Recipe |
Scaling Granularity |
Format |
Platform |
Use Case |
|---|---|---|---|---|
Per-tensor |
Whole tensor |
E4M3/E5M2 hybrid |
Hopper, Blackwell |
Conservative, initial experimentation |
Blockwise |
1×128 (activations), 128×128 (weights) |
E4M3 |
Hopper |
Production-proven (DeepSeek-V3, Minimax-M2) |
MXFP8 |
1×32 |
E4M3 + E8M0 scaling |
Blackwell |
Native hardware support on GB200 |
Recommendation: Use blockwise FP8 on Hopper for production training. It has been validated at scale on DeepSeek-V3 class models.
MoE-Specific FP8 Optimizations#
Optimization |
Description |
Config |
|---|---|---|
Routing Map Padding |
Pads routing map (not tokens) to align M dimension to 16/32, avoiding per-tensor padding overhead |
|
FP8 Primary Weights |
Casts FP32 master weights directly to FP8, eliminating BF16 intermediate copy |
|
Example Configuration#
# Blockwise FP8 on Hopper (recommended for production)
--fp8-format e4m3
--fp8-recipe blockwise
--fp8-param-gather
--moe-router-padding-for-fp8
# MXFP8 on Blackwell
--fp8-format e4m3
--fp8-recipe mxfp8
--moe-router-padding-for-fp8
--fp8-param-gather
--reuse-grad-buf-for-mxfp8-param-ag
Note: For blockwise and MXFP8 recipes with current scaling, training loss curves show negligible difference compared to BF16 baselines.
MoE Megakernel Backends#
MOK#
A megakernel backend replaces the native post-router dispatch, expert-compute, and combine path. Select MOK for a SwiGLU model with the following YAML configuration:
bf16: true
add_bias_linear: false
moe_grouped_gemm: true
moe_ffn_hidden_size: 3072
gradient_accumulation_fusion: true
moe_shared_expert_intermediate_size: 3072
moe_megakernel_backend: mok
moe_megakernel_backend_config:
fwd_num_comm_sms: 40
bwd_num_comm_sms: 28
The equivalent backend-specific CLI value is a JSON object:
--moe-megakernel-backend mok --moe-megakernel-backend-config '{"fwd_num_comm_sms": 40, "bwd_num_comm_sms": 28}'
MOK is an optional dependency, imported only when the backend is selected. The ARM64 development
image already installs the supported
MCore integration snapshot
through docker/common/install_mok.sh. Use that image or its installation helper to retain the
supported dependency and Blackwell build targets. The AMD64 image skips MOK because its H100
target is unsupported.
Area |
Current MOK support |
|---|---|
GPU architecture |
NVIDIA Blackwell SM100/SM103; upstream integration validated on GB300 |
Routed precision |
BF16, or MXFP8 with |
Router precision |
|
Shared experts |
Required; BF16; same intermediate size as routed experts; optional BF16 sigmoid output gate via |
Activation |
SwiGLU, without a linear offset or tanh clamp |
Routed weight layout |
Per-expert non-single weights, or single-grouped weights with |
Parallelism |
TP=1, expert TP=1, EP in {1, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64}; each EP group must fit within one NVLink domain supporting PyTorch symmetric memory and multicast |
Shapes |
Hidden and expert intermediate sizes divisible by 256; at least 512 local tokens per rank, divisible by 256; identical token, hidden, and top-k shapes across EP ranks |
Recomputation |
Whole-MoE activation recompute |
CUDA Graph |
Full-iteration capture |
Checkpointing |
Save/resume with unchanged backend, weight layout, and parallel configuration |
Wgrad GEMMs accumulate in FP32. The destination main_grad dtype selects the reduction-store
precision: FP32 retains FP32 contributions, while BF16 rounds each contribution before adding it
to the BF16 gradient buffer. This is independent of the BF16 shared-expert weight dtype.
The pinned MOK entrypoint requires shared and routed expert main-grad buffers to use the same dtype.
The optional shared output gate aliases the native shared-expert parameter and accumulates into
its FP32 or BF16 main_grad. It supports Qwen3.5’s gated shared-expert MoE without changing native
parameter ownership or checkpoint keys; the GDN and attention layers retain their existing paths.
With reuse_grad_buf_for_mxfp8_param_ag, MCore completes parameter all-gather, requantizes into
native TE storage, and clears the staging buffer before MOK runs. Single-grouped MXFP8 parameters
require this mode in the current MCore buffer implementation. MOK aliases the native payloads
and refreshes its converted scale buffers once per optimizer iteration. The adapter requires
both native weight layouts; TE’s post_all_gather_processing is not an MXFP8 capability check.
Per-layer whole-layer capture is distinct from cuda_graph_impl=full_iteration. Supporting
per-layer MOK replay needs saved-state stashing or a recompute path for pending microbatches;
static input token counts alone do not establish that lifecycle.
The current backend requires grouped experts and fused gradient accumulation. It does not support linear biases, applying router probabilities to expert inputs, MCore EP 1F1B overlap or delayed wgrad, native shared-expert overlap, shared-expert-only recompute, latent MoE, GTP weight rematerialization, shortcut MoE, inference-optimized layers, partial MoE CUDA Graph replay, MCore expert-input capacity padding, FC1 GLU-interleaved weights, or checkpoint conversion between physical weight layouts.
GLU Checkpoint Layout#
--moe-mlp-glu-interleave-size 32 makes routed expert activations interpret FC1
channels as alternating blocks of 32 gate and 32 up channels. Native Megatron-LM
converts contiguous checkpoint FC1 weights and biases into that runtime layout
before loading the model and initializing FP32 master weights. Both indexed
per-expert weights and single grouped weights are supported. Shared experts use
their separate --moe-shared-expert-glu-interleave-size setting when
--use-grouped-gemm-for-shared-expert is enabled.
GLU interleaving is unsupported with FP32 model parameters and is rejected during configuration validation. BF16 and FP16 model parameters remain supported, including when the optimizer uses FP32 master weights.
GLU interleaving also requires GTP weight sharding to be disabled for the affected
FC1: routed experts require expert_gtp_weight_remat_size=1, and grouped shared
experts require gtp_weight_remat_size=1. Configuration validation rejects these
combinations even when optimizer state is not loaded. GTP on other modules and
ordinary TP/ETP remain allowed.
For torch and torch_dist checkpoints, model weights are saved in contiguous
[all gate | all up] layout. Optimizer master weights and moments retain their
runtime layout, described by the existing saved configuration. GLU conversion
does not add checkpoint fields or layout metadata. Full optimizer resume
requires the same interleave sizes and the same ETP size for routed experts
(TP size for shared experts). To change those settings, load model weights with
--finetune or --no-load-optim and initialize a new optimizer. This also applies
when enabling interleaving on a checkpoint saved with a contiguous optimizer.
Model weights are always interpreted as contiguous, regardless of the interleave
settings in the saved configuration. Legacy checkpoints with interleaved model
weights must be converted to contiguous layout before loading; their source
layout is not detected automatically. In-place FSDP loading and
torch_dcp / fsdp_dtensor formats are not supported by this conversion.
CUDA Graph#
CUDA Graph functionality can be enabled through the --cuda-graph-impl option. There are three implementations:
--cuda-graph-impl=local: Captures per-layer cuda graphs using the MCore-internal cuda graph manager.--cuda-graph-impl=transformer_engine: Captures per-layer cuda graphs using the TEmake_graphed_callables()interface.--cuda-graph-impl=full_iteration: Captures the whole training/evaluation forward-backward iteration as a single cuda graph.
For inference, CUDA graph scope is controlled separately with
--inference-cuda-graph-scope=layer|block together with
--cuda-graph-impl=local.
To use --cuda-graph-impl=transformer_engine, the user should call related methods TECudaGraphHelper.create_cudagraphs() and TECudaGraphHelper.cuda_graph_set_manual_hooks() in the training script. Please refer to the usage in megatron/training/training.py.
For MoE models, certain configurations may prevent CUDA Graph capture of MoE layers. Specifically, when --moe-expert-capacity-factor and --moe-pad-expert-input-to-capacity are not set, the resulting dynamic shapes make MoE layers uncapturable. In such cases, you can still leverage CUDA Graphs for the attention layers (operations in TransformerLayer._forward_attention()) by setting --cuda-graph-modules=attn, while leaving the MoE layers (operations in TransformerLayer._forward_mlp()) unmodified. See the argument description for more usage of --cuda-graph-modules.
MoE Arguments Reference#
Core Arguments#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–num-experts |
Number of Experts in MoE |
None |
–expert-model-parallel-size |
Degree of expert model parallelism |
1 |
–moe-ffn-hidden-size |
MoE FFN hidden size |
FFN hidden size of the dense model |
–expert-tensor-parallel-size |
Expert layer tensor parallelism |
Same as TP(Recommended to set to 1 for fine-grained MoE models) |
–moe-layer-freq |
MoE layer frequency pattern |
1 |
Router Arguments#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-router-load-balancing-type |
Load balancing: aux_loss, seq_aux_loss, global_aux_loss, sinkhorn, quantile_balancing, none |
aux_loss |
–moe-router-quantile-balancing-estimation-scope |
Quantile population: micro_batch or global_batch |
micro_batch |
–moe-router-qb-num-bins |
Uniform histogram bins per expert for global-batch quantile balancing |
1000 |
–moe-router-topk |
Number of experts per token |
2 |
–moe-router-score-function |
Score function: softmax, sigmoid |
softmax |
–moe-router-pre-softmax |
Softmax before top-k |
False |
–moe-router-num-groups |
Groups for group-limited routing |
None |
–moe-router-group-topk |
Selected groups in group-limited routing |
None |
–moe-router-enable-expert-bias |
Dynamic per-expert bias |
False |
–moe-router-bias-update-rate |
Bias update rate |
1e-3 |
–moe-router-fusion |
Enable router fusion |
False |
–moe-router-dtype |
Router precision: fp32, fp64 |
None |
–moe-router-padding-for-fp8 |
Pad for FP8 alignment |
False |
Loss and Regularization#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-aux-loss-coeff |
Auxiliary loss coefficient |
0.0 |
–moe-z-loss-coeff |
Z-loss coefficient |
None |
–moe-input-jitter-eps |
Input jitter epsilon |
None |
Token Dispatching#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-token-dispatcher-type |
Dispatcher: allgather, alltoall, flex |
allgather |
–moe-enable-deepep |
Enable DeepEP (with flex) |
False |
–moe-expert-capacity-factor |
Capacity factor |
None |
–moe-pad-expert-input-to-capacity |
Pad to capacity |
False |
–moe-token-drop-policy |
Drop policy: probs, position |
probs |
–moe-permute-fusion |
Fuse permutation ops |
False |
Performance Optimization#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-grouped-gemm |
Use GroupedGEMM |
False |
–overlap-moe-expert-parallel-comm |
Batch-level EP overlap |
False |
–delay-wgrad-compute |
Split dgrad/wgrad compute |
False |
–moe-shared-expert-intermediate-size |
Shared expert FFN size |
None |
–moe-shared-expert-overlap |
Overlap shared expert |
False |
Memory and Checkpointing#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-layer-recompute |
Recompute MoE layer |
False |
–moe-use-upcycling |
Enable upcycling |
False |
–moe-upcycling-granularity |
Upcycling granularity |
1 |
Miscellaneous#
Argument |
Description |
Default |
|---|---|---|
–moe-per-layer-logging |
Per-layer logging |
False |
–moe-router-force-load-balancing |
Force load balancing (experimental) |
False |
Examples#
#!/bin/bash
# Runs Mixtral 8x7B model on 32 H100/A100 GPUs
export CUDA_DEVICE_MAX_CONNECTIONS=1
GPUS_PER_NODE=8
MASTER_ADDR=${MASTER_ADDR:-"localhost"}
MASTER_PORT=${MASTER_PORT:-"29500"}
NNODES=${NNODES:-"4"}
NODE_RANK=${RANK:-"0"}
WORLD_SIZE=$(($GPUS_PER_NODE*$NNODES))
CHECKPOINT_PATH=$1
TOKENIZER_MODEL=$2
DATA_PATH=$3
DISTRIBUTED_ARGS=(
--nproc_per_node $GPUS_PER_NODE
--nnodes $NNODES
--node_rank $NODE_RANK
--master_addr $MASTER_ADDR
--master_port $MASTER_PORT
)
MODEL_ARGS=(
--disable-bias-linear
--seq-length 4096
--max-position-embeddings 32768
--num-layers 32
--hidden-size 4096
--ffn-hidden-size 14336
--num-attention-heads 32
--init-method-std 0.01
--attention-dropout 0.0
--hidden-dropout 0.0
--normalization RMSNorm
--position-embedding-type rope
--swiglu
--untie-embeddings-and-output-weights
--group-query-attention
--num-query-groups 8
--no-masked-softmax-fusion
--no-position-embedding
)
MOE_ARGS=(
--num-experts 8
--expert-model-parallel-size 8
--moe-router-load-balancing-type aux_loss
--moe-router-topk 2
--moe-aux-loss-coeff 1e-2
--moe-grouped-gemm
--moe-permute-fusion
--moe-token-dispatcher-type alltoall
)
DATA_ARGS=(
--tokenizer-type Llama2Tokenizer
--tokenizer-model ${TOKENIZER_MODEL}
--data-path $DATA_PATH
--split 99990,8,2
)
TRAINING_ARGS=(
--micro-batch-size 1
--global-batch-size 128
--lr 1e-4
--train-iters 500000
--lr-decay-iters 320000
--lr-decay-style cosine
--min-lr 1.0e-5
--weight-decay 0.1
--lr-warmup-iters 500
--clip-grad 1.0
--bf16
--overlap-grad-reduce
--overlap-param-gather
)
MODEL_PARALLEL_ARGS=(
--tensor-model-parallel-size 1
--pipeline-model-parallel-size 4
--num-layers-per-virtual-pipeline-stage 8
--sequence-parallel
--use-distributed-optimizer
)
LOGGING_ARGS=(
--log-interval 1
--save-interval 10000
--eval-interval 1000
--eval-iters 10
--save $CHECKPOINT_PATH
--load $CHECKPOINT_PATH
--tensorboard-dir "${CHECKPOINT_PATH}/tensorboard"
--ckpt-format torch_dist
--auto-detect-ckpt-format
)
torchrun ${DISTRIBUTED_ARGS[@]} pretrain_gpt.py \
${MODEL_ARGS[@]} \
${MOE_ARGS[@]} \
${DATA_ARGS[@]} \
${TRAINING_ARGS[@]} \
${MODEL_PARALLEL_ARGS[@]} \
${LOGGING_ARGS[@]}
Contributing#
We welcome contributions! Please see CONTRIBUTING.md for guidelines.
Support#
GitHub Issues: Report bugs or request features
Documentation: Full documentation
Performance: Latest MoE training performance summary
Citation#
If you use Megatron Core MoE in your research, please cite:
@article{megatron-lm,
title={Megatron-LM: Training Multi-Billion Parameter Language Models Using Model Parallelism},
author={Shoeybi, Mohammad and Patwary, Mostofa and Puri, Raul and LeGresley, Patrick and Casper, Jared and Catanzaro, Bryan},
journal={arXiv preprint arXiv:1909.08053},
year={2019}
}
@article{moe-parallel-folding,
title={MoE Parallel Folding: Heterogeneous Parallelism Mappings for Efficient Large-Scale MoE Model Training with Megatron Core},
author={Liu, Dennis and Yan, Zijie and Yao, Xin and Liu, Tong and Korthikanti, Vijay and Wu, Evan and Fan, Shiqing and Deng, Gao and Bai, Hongxiao and Chang, Jianbin and Aithal, Ashwath and Andersch, Michael and Shoeybi, Mohammad and Yao, Jiajie and Zhou, Chandler and Wu, David and Li, Xipeng and Yang, June},
year={2025},
journal={arXiv preprint arXiv:2504.14960},
}